This post is in response to Chirp’s post about homosexuality in Kuwait

‘The gays’. That term encompasses it all. I think the term is derogatory. It demonstrates how all homosexual people are clumped into this almost substandard category. Being homosexual is not all that somebody is, its part of them. Its not who they are, its part of what they are.

It’s like saying ‘the blacks’ in the ‘separate but equal’ era of the US. It’s the exact same thing. In fact, the whole situation is the same. There is this group of people that is different. The general population not only refuses to accept these people but also decides to persecute them just because they are different.

Now, some people may argue that homosexuality is a choice (as opposed to race). The whole choice of homosexuality debate is never-ending. I won’t even bother getting into it. But I will say that even if a person decides to participate in homosexual relations behind closed doors, what’s the harm in it? As long as it’s adult and consensual, who cares?

‘It’s a sin’. Well, seeing as homosexuality is a ‘victimless sin’ why not let God handle it? Why arrest them? Who’s going to benefit from that?

Retarded Islamists walk around and blame homosexuality on ‘Westernization’ (as usual). Jeez, those ‘Islamists’ should really pick up a Quran sometime. There’s a little story there in there about two cities called Sodom and Gomorrah. Those cities were in the Middle East (maybe they misread it as Middle America). If anything, the whole Sodom and Gomorrah story shows us how long homosexuality has been around here and still hasn’t gone away. If God didn’t get rid of homosexuality by decimating whole cities, what makes bigoted lawmakers think anything they do is going to?

Now, let’s discuss Kuwaiti homosexuality. Here’s what I think:

True homosexuality is the intrinsic feeling of preferring to have sexual relations with someone of the same sex. I think that a lot of guys and girls participate in homosexual acts not because they prefer it but because it is what’s available (just like in prison).

Kuwaiti society strongly discourages the mixing of males and females (as is demonstrated by our segregated schools and segregated everything).

What do you expect a developing male/female to do to release they’re sexual energy and they’re growing need for physical affection?

Once a boy/girl has committed their first homosexual act that’s where it gets psychologically complicated. They just did something that was physically and sexually pleasurable but, being raised with certain social morals, mentally unacceptable. They will either:

· Compartmentalize and go into denial: Like guys who deny having homosexual tendencies because they were ‘on top’.

· Rationalize their behavior and seek validation: I would think a lot of ‘boya’ girls do that. They decide that they are gay and dress and act a certain way in order to fit in with the ‘lesbian’ community (which is the only place where what they did is considered acceptable and normal).

Another unfortunate factor that contributes to a person’s homosexuality is sexual abuse. When children are sexually abused they often become sexually confused. Let’s say a little boy is sexually abused by his father. Now, sexual abuse can mess a kid up in any which way: He could go into shock and completely shut down, he could rationalize the event and decide that it’s acceptable (even wanted), or: The child recognizes the event as abuse but can help but associate the homosexual act with a father’s love. He grows up, and he wants to be with men because deep within his mind he is seeking those feelings of paternal affection (because Daddy told him ‘this is how I show you that I love you’).

Messed up to the 11th degree, I know. But that’s how it is. So in my opinion people who were sexually abused as children are not necessarily homosexual but probably sexually confused.

Banning homosexual gatherings isn’t going to do shit. If they really want to get together they will.

What the government should do is allow and encourage free mingling of the sexes at an early age. Put the kids in a healthy, respectful co-ed environment. Don’t make the opposite sex such a mystery. And don’t assume that you can do nothing and that society and school will mold your child into a well-rounded individual (or a mini-you).

Also, counseling for people who have sexual identity issues. I’m not talking about the ‘conversion’ crap that seeks to whip the gay out of you. I mean a safe place where people can get professional help and discuss their sexuality (if it bothers them) without fear of retribution or judgment.

Last of all, and most importantly: Learn to live and let live. Learn some tolerance. So you don’t like what gay people do. You don’t have to like it or agree with it, you just have to accept it. They’re not going away. They’re here. They’re queer. Get used to it.

I don’t particularly care if someone is homo or hetero. I draw the line at non-consensual sex (children and animals).

I don’t think I could ever be attracted to a girl. I just don’t see the appeal.

But just because I don’t feel it, it doesn’t mean others can’t or shouldn’t.

What amazes me is when ‘religious’ people say:

“Homosexuality is wrong. It’s wrong because it…. its… its just wrong! I don’t understand it. It doesn’t make sense! It’s unnatural as designated by God.”

I would think that if anybody could accept things that they don’t understand it would be religious people. Isn’t that what basis of religion is? There is no way you could understand God or even fathom his existence, and yet you accept Him.

And c’mon people, if God wanted you to think that homosexuality was so unnatural then he wouldn’t have made so many animals behave homosexually. Most every animal species has incidence of homosexuality. Some species (ex. Bonobos –wiki it!) even have homosexuality engraved in their societies.

What’s more natural than nature? Or do you want to believe that animals too been watching too much Orbit and have become ‘Westernized’?

18 Responses to “It shouldn’t be controversial”

  1. Randomness said

    ‘ if God wanted you to think that homosexuality was so unnatural then he wouldn’t have made so many animals behave homosexually’

    Okay ,,what I understand from the quote above,,that you think Homosexuality is not 7aram ?

  2. Prophet of Random said

    Randomness:

    If by ‘7aram’ you mean what mainstream Islamic teachings preach as a ’sin’, then, no, I know that it is regarded as 7aram.

    If by ‘7aram’ you mean what I believe that good and gracious God would punish us for then, yes, I think homosexuality is not 7aram.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

  3. SpiKeY said

    I wanted to comment on your comment on chrips post…bs here its better..

    its hard to compare homosexuals with blacks..I can say that we (as muslims) are hated too…but still people would say muslims deserve to be hated…sexual orientation is different than race and different than religious belief….

    I am not gonna debate why some become gay..I heard many theories regarding being gay…(and am talking about ppl I know in person)…each one gave me a different reason…some even said there is a gene that makes you gay…I debated enough with them face to face…and we had a good debate at that…so some gay people know my point of view…but at the end I wont judge them for being who they are…

    now being who you are…and I see your personality in many bloggers really…that you take Islamists as haters…you go on calling them retards and all that…and you claim you know more about what the Quran said…well as you know Qom loot was punished…oh and that was also mentioned in the bible…so its not an islamic thing…

    I do believe what we see on tv is what we become or believe…see when you go the States or europe…people still think that we live on camels…and that I have an oil well in the garden…coz of the WRONG deception of arabs on tv from their side of the world…so now..when we go watch tv shows that have homosexuality, drinking and all that as something alright to do…it will be painted in our minds…thus changing us somehow..

    you said

    “True homosexuality is the intrinsic feeling of preferring to have sexual relations with someone of the same sex. I think that a lot of guys and girls participate in homosexual acts not because they prefer it but because it is what’s available (just like in prison).

    Kuwaiti society strongly discourages the mixing of males and females (as is demonstrated by our segregated schools and segregated everything).”

    so you blame segregation with being a homosexual? so a homosexual is affected by his surroundings? so if we cancel segregation no homosexuals will be found in kuwait and all of them will turn straight?

    also child abuse? maybe these factors do make people turn into homosexuals…there are homosexuals that truely do not like the opposite sex from the heart..since they were born maybe and they were in mixed schools and were not abused..

    They are not banning or stopping homosexuals because it will stop the issue..they are doing it because it is against Kuwaits law…

    If god wanted many things…he will make it happen…he wanted peace but there is still war…there is still poverty and so on….but does that mean god is wrong? I dont know if you believe in him or not..but I do…and I believe everything was done for a reason……

    and btw…not only religious “islamic” people are against homosexuality because even chritians are against them….also MANY people who “think” they are liberals even think they are atheist …diss homosexuals…..

    ow salamtech :)

  4. N. said

    I love how you copy/pasted your comment :p And here I thought I was going to read something different.

    Regardless, here are my 2 fils.

    Sure, homosexuality is a natural thing. It is in nature we can not deny that. However, the problem is with how it is viewed and handled. Come to think of it, isn’t this the problem with nearly everything in this era? :l

  5. Prophet of Random said

    SPIKEY:

    I already replied to your comment on Chirp’s page. I just saw this but so I’ll reply to it too.
    “its hard to compare homosexuals with blacks..I can say that we (as muslims) are hated too…but still people would say muslims deserve to be hated…sexual orientation is different than race and different than religious belief….”

    When I say being homosexual is like being black (in pre-integrated US), I mean that they are considered an inferior minority that must be controlled. Why do you say that its different?
    I don’t really understand the muslim / gay comparison but I can work with it: If you believe that being gay is a choice (you said you don’t think its genetic) then we can compare it to being Muslim. Muslims feel and believe certain things (that Allah wants us to do 1 , 2, 3), Muslims do certain things (7aj…. Etc.). These things that Muslims feel and do are not understood by a lot of people. Some of Islam’s concepts are so different from what others know that they can’t accept Muslims- and may end up even hating them.
    Do you think that it would be right for non-muslims to hate you and stop you from practicing what you believe just because they don’t understand it (or don’t believe in it themseleves)?

    “I am not gonna debate why some become gay..I heard many theories regarding being gay…(and am talking about ppl I know in person)…each one gave me a different reason…some even said there is a gene that makes you gay…I debated enough with them face to face…and we had a good debate at that…so some gay people know my point of view…but at the end I wont judge them for being who they are”…

    I won’t get into the whole “what makes ppl gay” debate either. But you say you “won’t judge them for being who they are”, how can you say that when you also say that you say you won’t talk to a friend who tells you he’s gay?
    Deciding that your friend is making an unwise decision but 6af – that’s disagreeing but not judging.

    When you think that your friend being gay affects the quality of his character (he’s not a good as he was)– that’s judgment.

    But you take it one step further – solely based on your friend’s sexuality you take action – stop talking to him – that’s punishment.

    “ow being who you are…and I see your personality in many bloggers really…that you take Islamists as haters…you go on calling them retards and all that…and you claim you know more about what the Quran said…well as you know Qom loot was punished…oh and that was also mentioned in the bible…so its not an Islamic thing”

    Yes, I do think Islamists are retards. I think that people who use invalid / incorrect claims that have no true foundation are retarded. And those who blindedly accept these claims as truth are cowards, fools, or worst of all, cowardly fools.
    You really should concentrate a little harder on the context of my posts. I think you’re getting confused. My use of ‘Islamists need to pick up a Quran’ refers to the claim that homosexuality is a result of western influence. IN THE QURAN (and, as you know, in the bible), the Qom Loo6 story took place in THE MIDDLE EAST NOT THE WEST. Therefore, I’m proving, via a Quranic example (which is all Islamists consider undeniably valid), that homosexuality existed long before any sort of western influence. Islamists can’t blame the west through the Quran. Homosexuality has even existed before Islam, Christianity or Judiasm came about (read some ancient greek history – if you are interested in knowing more).

    And yes, I know, that in the Qom Loo6 was punished in the story… which as I said before, shows you that, if anything, its not going to go away.

    I know that there are many people from different relegions who oppose homosexuality, and my comments apply to all of them, but I specifically target Islamists because they are the ones that make such a fuss about it here in Kuwait.

    “I do believe what we see on tv is what we become or believe…see when you go the States or europe…people still think that we live on camels…and that I have an oil well in the garden…coz of the WRONG deception of arabs on tv from their side of the world…so now..when we go watch tv shows that have homosexuality, drinking and all that as something alright to do…it will be painted in our minds…thus changing us somehow..”

    I , and science, agree with you that the media can influence thought and perception. When people see something on TV they accept it as truth (and that’s bad). But just because you don’t show homosexuality/drugs/alcohol on TV does not mean it is not out there and that its not going to happem. Instead what needs to be done (by the media) is to show everything in a non-biased, scientific manner. But let’s face it, that’s never going to happen. There are always people that want to influence others into thinking a certain way (in the west and in the east). What we have to do as the general public is open our minds, think critically of everything around us, and not foolishly accept any thought thrown at us as valid.

    “You said
    “True homosexuality is the intrinsic feeling of preferring to have sexual relations with someone of the same sex. I think that a lot of guys and girls participate in homosexual acts not because they prefer it but because it is what’s available (just like in prison).
    Kuwaiti society strongly discourages the mixing of males and females (as is demonstrated by our segregated schools and segregated everything).”
    so you blame segregation with being a homosexual? so a homosexual is affected by his surroundings? so if we cancel segregation no homosexuals will be found in kuwait and all of them will turn straight?”

    I think that segration is most definetley a factor in many peoples’ decision to participate in homosexual relations. With proper integration of the sexes, I am confident that there will be a decline in homosexual relations. I never said that all homosexuals will turn straight. But, in the future, boys and girls who may wish to participate in sexual relations will atleast have a readily availible choice to do it with the opposite sex.

    “also child abuse? maybe these factors do make people turn into homosexuals…there are homosexuals that truely do not like the opposite sex from the heart..since they were born maybe and they were in mixed schools and were not abused..”

    You’re starting to sound like you believe that homosexuality is genetic, I thought you didn’t believe that. Anyway, like I said, I believe that many people who are sexually abused as children and end up having homosexual tendencies are just sexually confused. It is exaclty those people who were not abused and did not lead segregated lifestyles that I feel are true homosexuals . That does NOT mean that every homosexual that came from a segregated school or was abused is not a valid homosexual. To sum up: Many people are homosexual just becase that’s the way they are, but SOME people participate in homosexual relations as a result of different unfortunate factors.

    “They are not banning or stopping homosexuals because it will stop the issue..they are doing it because it is against Kuwait’s law”

    That statement makes no sense. Why is it Kuwaiti law, in the first place? Was it not made a law to ban and stop homosexuality? You make it sound like persecuting homosexuals is just the way things are, like it can’t be helped. Laws don’t just drop down from outer space, they are instituted for some designated purpose.

    “If god wanted many things…he will make it happen…he wanted peace but there is still war…there is still poverty and so on….but does that mean god is wrong? I dont know if you believe in him or not..but I do…and I believe everything was done for a reason…”

    Everything happens for a reason. I agree. If anything, things happen to teach us something. Maybe homosexuality is God’s way of trying to get you to accept those that are different from you. I believe that war in the form that we see today, is solely a human creation manifested from human greed and stupidity. But anyway, the point of the ‘homosexuality of animals’ fact is to show that animals, which are one of the ‘purest’ forms of life created by God – are not influenced by negative forces such as Satan or Western television – have homosexuality embedded within their nature. God created homosexuality, does that mean God is wrong?

    “nd btw…not only religious “islamic” people are against homosexuality because even chritians are against them….also MANY people who “think” they are liberals even think they are atheist …diss homosexuals…..”

    Like I said above, my comments apply to everyone, but are specifically targeted towards Islamists that preach the persecution of homosexuals.

    “ow salamtech”

    Oo salamtik

  6. SpiKeY said

    prophett…i think you mistook me with hasan… I never said I wont talk to friends who are gay…I told you I know gay people and they told me themselves how they became gay ..and they are friends of mine..and i don’t judge them….and we had many many debates about this issue…and at the end we respected each other opinions even if we did not agree…

    and now to the rest of your comment…

    “When I say being homosexual is like being black (in pre-integrated US), I mean that they are considered an inferior minority that must be controlled. Why do you say that its different?
    I don’t really understand the muslim / gay comparison but I can work with it: If you believe that being gay is a choice (you said you don’t think its genetic) then we can compare it to being Muslim. Muslims feel and believe certain things (that Allah wants us to do 1 , 2, 3), Muslims do certain things (7aj…. Etc.). These things that Muslims feel and do are not understood by a lot of people. Some of Islam’s concepts are so different from what others know that they can’t accept Muslims- and may end up even hating them.
    Do you think that it would be right for non-muslims to hate you and stop you from practicing what you believe just because they don’t understand it (or don’t believe in it themseleves)?”

    again…religion is belief…homosexuality is sexual orientation and black is race…thats y you cant compare…

    see if you compare blacks you should compare them with another race(arabs, asians, eurpeans and so on) when it comes to homosexuality then you compare them with other sexual orientations

    “I won’t get into the whole “what makes ppl gay” debate either. But you say you “won’t judge them for being who they are”, how can you say that when you also say that you say you won’t talk to a friend who tells you he’s gay?
    Deciding that your friend is making an unwise decision but 6af – that’s disagreeing but not judging.

    When you think that your friend being gay affects the quality of his character (he’s not a good as he was)– that’s judgment.

    But you take it one step further – solely based on your friend’s sexuality you take action – stop talking to him – that’s punishment.”

    as I said above you have mistaken me with hasan…for i never said i will stop talking to a friend coz he is gay…

    “I think that segration is most definetley a factor in many peoples’ decision to participate in homosexual relations. With proper integration of the sexes, I am confident that there will be a decline in homosexual relations. I never said that all homosexuals will turn straight. But, in the future, boys and girls who may wish to participate in sexual relations will atleast have a readily availible choice to do it with the opposite sex.”

    i dont know if you have been in a private school or not..but back in my private school there were many homosexuals…in the west…homosexuals are not gay because they were segregated !!

    “Yes, I do think Islamists are retards. I think that people who use invalid / incorrect claims that have no true foundation are retarded. And those who blindedly accept these claims as truth are cowards, fools, or worst of all, cowardly fools.
    You really should concentrate a little harder on the context of my posts. I think you’re getting confused. My use of ‘Islamists need to pick up a Quran’ refers to the claim that homosexuality is a result of western influence. IN THE QURAN (and, as you know, in the bible), the Qom Loo6 story took place in THE MIDDLE EAST NOT THE WEST. Therefore, I’m proving, via a Quranic example (which is all Islamists consider undeniably valid), that homosexuality existed long before any sort of western influence. Islamists can’t blame the west through the Quran. Homosexuality has even existed before Islam, Christianity or Judiasm came about (read some ancient greek history – if you are interested in knowing more).

    And yes, I know, that in the Qom Loo6 was punished in the story… which as I said before, shows you that, if anything, its not going to go away.

    I know that there are many people from different relegions who oppose homosexuality, and my comments apply to all of them, but I specifically target Islamists because they are the ones that make such a fuss about it here in Kuwait. ”

    unfortunately…some people do not respect others….even you…debating should not lead to haterd towards anyone… you dont want people to hate homosexuals yet your hating on others….whether they are against what you think or not..you should not hate…I have many ppl against my thoughts…hey even you have stuff against my thoughts but I cant sit here and call you a retard or whatever coz I respect your opnion in a polite way…coz its only a debate…each and everyone has his own mind….

    bs just to let you know maybe they are making a fuss here…because it against their belief…homosexuals will make a fuss against islamists (or any other relgions against them) because they are against their belief…

    “You’re starting to sound like you believe that homosexuality is genetic, I thought you didn’t believe that. Anyway, like I said, I believe that many people who are sexually abused as children and end up having homosexual tendencies are just sexually confused. It is exaclty those people who were not abused and did not lead segregated lifestyles that I feel are true homosexuals . That does NOT mean that every homosexual that came from a segregated school or was abused is not a valid homosexual. To sum up: Many people are homosexual just becase that’s the way they are, but SOME people participate in homosexual relations as a result of different unfortunate factors.”

    i totally disagree that homosexuality has a gene..its not even proven …but i believe that the genes that control the hormones makes people gay…as in the hormones controls the mind…

    “That statement makes no sense. Why is it Kuwaiti law, in the first place? Was it not made a law to ban and stop homosexuality? You make it sound like persecuting homosexuals is just the way things are, like it can’t be helped. Laws don’t just drop down from outer space, they are instituted for some designated purpose.”

    the prupose was that the constitution was written under islamic law…

    “Everything happens for a reason. I agree. If anything, things happen to teach us something. Maybe homosexuality is God’s way of trying to get you to accept those that are different from you. I believe that war in the form that we see today, is solely a human creation manifested from human greed and stupidity. But anyway, the point of the ‘homosexuality of animals’ fact is to show that animals, which are one of the ‘purest’ forms of life created by God – are not influenced by negative forces such as Satan or Western television – have homosexuality embedded within their nature. God created homosexuality, does that mean God is wrong?”

    you forgot…god created us with brains we can use….dont compare animal homosexuals with human ones..coz at the end humans have brains…

    “Like I said above, my comments apply to everyone, but are specifically targeted towards Islamists that preach the persecution of homosexuals.”

    i dont think gays should be persecuted….but when your in rome…do what the romans do…yeah..

  7. Prophet said

    Spikey:
    First of all, you are right, I mistook you for Hasan. Sorry for the mix up. But I think what I said still applies to you: You think homosexuality is a sin (really bad) and you are willing to persecute homosexuals.

    The fact that you are willing to persecute them because “when in Rome do as Romans do” is really bad. You think persecution is wrong but you are willing to do it because others do it. What happened to you saying you aren’t affected by outside influences (“I was not a bit changed due to society, family or religion”)?

    And, Spikey, I think you are having some trouble absorbing some of the things I say because your responses just don’t make sense. For example, you say:

    “religion is belief…homosexuality is sexual orientation and black is race…thats y you cant compare…”

    Homosexuality is either a choice or it isn’t. Thats why you can compare it to religion and race. Because if it is a choice then its like religion (because you CHOOSE what you believe). If being gay is not a choice then it’s like race.

    Another example is:

    “i totally disagree that homosexuality has a gene..its not even proven …but i believe that the genes that control the hormones makes people gay…as in the hormones controls the mind…”

    Basic math: If A=B and B=C then A=C. Right?

    So if: Genes = Hormones and Hormones = Gay then Genes = Gay

    Also:

    “see if you compare blacks you should compare them with another race(arabs, asians, eurpeans and so on) when it comes to homosexuality then you compare them with other sexual orientations”

    That isn’t even a complete correct sentence. It doesn’t even make sense. The point of comparing homosexuals to blacks is to compare them to another group that was/is being treated unfairly. If you want you can compare gay people to Arabs, if that’ll make it more clear. Just like Arabs are being hassled and persecuted in the US for just being what they are, the same is true for gay people in Kuwait.

    And:

    “the prupose was that the constitution was written under islamic law…”

    What the purpse behind that Islamic law, on which you are basing this law: TO BAN GAY PEOPLE! That’s the purpose, there’s no two ways around it.

    And:

    I may disagree with Islamist’s opinions but I ‘hate’ on them depriving others’ freedom based on their opinion. I would be just as pissed at homosexuals if they passed a law that arrested people for going to mosques, or growing long beards and wearing short disdashas (looking ‘mitdayen’). So no, I don’t hate people who have an opinion that is different than my own. I hate those who restrict others’ freedom based on their own opinion.

    And:

    “you forgot…god created us with brains we can use….dont compare animal homosexuals with human ones..coz at the end humans have brains…”

    No, I didn’t forget. But just because humans have brains they CAN use. Doesn’t mean they DO use them. If every person’s action was well-thought out and completely rational then we wouldn’t have any problems in this world. Humans are more than just brains, humans are animals that are CAPABLE of higher thought. Humans still have animal instincts and feelings. Anyway, the point of the animal example was to show that homosexuality is very natural. Nobody can say “its not natural” if it is everywhere in nature.

    Anyway, I’m getting tired of re-explaining my arguments. Let’s try something new. You tell me why you think homosexuality is bad, but you can’t use arguments like ‘Allah said so’. Arguments like that are irrational, we can’t negotiate them. Just a simple 1,2,3 list like:

    1. Homosexuality is bad because it has been shown to speed up global warming which is killing the Eskimos (thats just a random example).

    I’m up for a rational discussion. But if you say something like “it is immoral according to the quran”. I’m just going to say something just as irrelevant like “but the Great Pirate God of Wagadoogoo said that homosexuality will bring rain and help the roses in my garden grow”…

    U up for a rational, scientific discussion about the harm of homosexuality, Spikey?

  8. SpiKeY said

    Sure thing…if your respect my belief that I am a muslim at the end..and I do believe in it..I do not want to be disrespected..am sure you don’t want to be disrespected too….

    And what better way than Science…You want science? how are babies made? two guys? two girls? or two straight people?

    (dont inform me about modern ways to get pregnant please…I want you to talk to me about Natural science )

  9. SpiKeY said

    ps: regarding the prosecution of homosexuals..am against it..when i said ‘when in rome do what the romans do’..i meant that homosexuals know that homosexuality is against the law in kuwait and should take care showing it..i dnt believe any1 has the prosecute a human..

  10. Prophet of Random said

    Spikey:
    It’s been a while so I don’t know it you’re going to see this but i’ll type it anyway:

    So homosexuals can’t make babies. Why is that going to be bad for the world? It’s not like nobody is going to have children ever again because homosexuals exist. Why is the fact that homosexual sex doesn’t result in children a bad thing?

    If anything, the fact that homosexual relations not contributing to the world’s obvious overpopulation is a good thing. Stable and loving homosexual couples that are not able to have their own children also help provide good homes for orphaned children (also good!)

    So again Spikey,I need you to stick to the format I gave you, because when you write freely your arguments sound incomplete and inapplicable. So if you choose to respond to this comment use the format I gave you:

    1. Homosexuality means (_____), which is bad BECAUSE…..

    State the fact and what makes it bad.

  11. SpiKeY said

    we got into the debate arguing if homosexuality is bad or not…which i dont wanna argue about coz Id rather have this debate with a homosexual and I did enough of that..

    whats funny is you want me to answer the way you want….yet you asked me about science…and I gave you science…madry whats incomplete about that…

    elmohem…My point was why homosexuals are being prosecuted and why they should try to act normal in Kuwait (at least) because this how the country is run … and I gave you that above…

  12. Prophet said

    Spikey: Of course I answer you the way I want. Am I supposed to answer you the way YOU want?

    Anyway, I think we both agree that we’ve reach an end to this little dialogue.

    My reason for ending this little discussion is that everything you say is incoherent. You don’t even answer the questions I pose to you. Whether that’s because you don’t understand what I’m asking or because you can’t answer it, the result is the same. You are not communicating relevant arguments/responses.

    Really, I asked you ‘SO WHAT if 2 men can’t have babies?’ Why on Earth is that a relevant response?

    Any kid over the age of 8 could tell you that you need a penis and a vagina to make a baby. Did you think that you were bringing to light some fact that I overlooked? So please tell me why is magnificent fact relevant to the homosexual discussion in the first place?

    Actually, you know what? Don’t. I’m pretty sure you are just going to write something that only makes sense in Spikey’s world.

    So thanks for playing, but you’ve been disqualified for lack of proper communication skills. You’re badly-written, irrational arguments are no longer even worth trying to decipher.

    YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK, SPIKEY. GOOD-BYE!

  13. SpiKeY said

    oh girl….your so funny..did i touch a nerve there?

    oh well call it whatever you call it..coz I ain’t bothered :D ..am glad for who I am and how I think..dont have to prove my self to you..

    just a friendly advice…if you ain’t up for a debate….if you ain’t up for criticism…then don’t start it :) ..

    c ya

  14. N said

    Prophet- I wish I had your patience to go back and forth like you did with mr weak link…
    and Spikey-on top of all the comments you made that did not make ANY sense..”they (homosexuals) should try to act normal in Kuwait (at least) because this how the country is run …”
    lol…NORMAL?.. and who r YOU to decide what NORMAL is? what a quack..
    And btw..modern medicine IS NATURAL SCIENCE..they use all natural human cells :) ..and technically men aren’t even needed anymore to make babies. :) AT ALL. Go research!

  15. theme said

    theme says : I absolutely agree with this !

  16. Prophet said

    Yes, Spikey, your stupidity touched a nerve.

    I am always up for a debate, you unfortunately have the communication skills of a rabid zebra. I don’t call this little dialogue we had a debate. Maybe you attempted to debate, but you failed miserably.

    Go take a couple of English courses (your English sucks balls, incase you haven’t noticed) and learn how to converse properly and then come back and try to have a real debate with me.

    Until then, don’t waste my time with the irrational jibberish that you type (which you think qualifies as ‘debating’).

    lol you’re the funny one thinking you actually debated with me. That’s just precious. You keep on thinking that, Spikey, maybe one day your hallucination will come true.

  17. Prophet of Random said

    N: I know. WTF was I thinking? I guess I thought I was giving Spikey a chance to try and discuss the issue. That’s what I get for tolerating and encouraging fools.
    It’s like trying to talk to TIMMY! the little retard in a wheelchair from South Park. He thinks the shit he says makes sense but all that comes out is ‘TIMMY!’

    I feel bad for comparing Timmy to Spikey. They might both be retards but Timmy is so kickass, as opposed to Spikey who just needs his ass kicked.

  18. Ἀφροδίτη said

    “1. Homosexuality means (_____), which is bad BECAUSE….. ”
    hahahHAHAHHhaha
    “weakest link” ahahhahAHHah “good bye”
    oh god.. god god hahahah
    this discussion/argument was hilarious!
    lovely way to start my day!

    1. Homosexuality means (_freedom to love_), which is bad BECAUSE…..people will never understand.

    ;)

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